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Robyn writes:

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The email consortium is a sacred space.
This is not something that has changed.
It is also not something that could change.

And later writes:

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Voting is a useful process that has served democracy since its inception.
What would you rather?
Would you prefer a dictatorship of the mild-mannered?
Some of us are unruly and we like to be that way.
The alternative isn't better accept by agreement.
How are we going to get clear on what we can agree about?

We are stepping into an area where THERE ARE NO RULES.
In fact we're stepping into an area where THERE IS NO ANYTHING.
There is nothing already established here to determine what is and isn't
acceptable.

Except we've said that its a domain where I am empowered by everything you
do and say.
And I empower you with everything I do and say.
And I am empowered by empowering you.

I would suggest that what is occuring here IS THE RESULT OF THE COURSE!!!
This is what we came here to get!!!

I know its hard to believe.
"I did not pay $2000 to be insulted by Vip Vyas and then have a public
debate about it." etc etc.
But try it on for a second.

After almost a year of working on this,
can we begin to hear something in the background of EVERYTHING
that is being said here?

Can we begin to hear in the background the creation of something implausible
and unlikely?
Something hardly there at all?

Somewhere in the background of our unfolding process,
something has been quietly developing by itself
without us paying it any attention.

It is the field inside of which our conversation is occuring.
What field is THIS conversation occuring inside of????

Our conversation has run away with itself.
And we focus on its content.
But all the while in the background something else is occuring.
Lets stop to look.

In the back row of our conversational audience there is a small child
smiling to herself.

I have a feeling I already shared this, but I love it so much I'm going to
do it again.
Brian Regnier used to tell a story about how people come into courses with
expectations about the outcome.
They have projects in there lives, like they want to have more geese in
their life... more whatever.
They do the course and go back to work and don't have any more geese than
they did before.
And they almost don't notice the radical shift that has occured.
They don't notice that on every street corner, now, there is a chicken that
wasn't there before.
In fact there are chickens everywhere. There's chicken's in their car.
Chickens at home.
Chickens when they go for a walk. Chickens everywhere.

But we thought what we were going to get was geese. Where are the geese?

Could it be that the conversation we are having here... THIS ONE ... this
mean, insulting, heartfelt,
sincere, ironic, magical, superficial, engaging, boring, easy, hard,
frustrating, satisfying,
almost-there-but-not-quite-conversation....

Could it be that THIS CONVERSATION ... IS AN EXPRESSION OF A 5TH FIELD?

(No. Absolutely not. But you've got to give me some points for trying. xxx)

Love,
Andrew.




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